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Our primary ngo and they're the ones that coordinate this with 20 other shelters, but i'm not sure we can handle it. you want to know about immigration and want to know about the border, come to el paso. >> i agree with you. that's the place where you see it firsthand. but let me ask you -- let me ask you before we run out of time, i'm sorry to interrupt, but the president has threatened a shutdown of the southern border. how would that impact your community? >> it would be a killer. it would -- we have in addition to the migrant community that we're dealing with, and that issue, is commerce. ...

We're receiving these, as i say, daily. as i've said on previous interviews, with cnn, and other networks, is you want to know about immigration, and you want to know about the border, come to el paso. >> and i agree with you. i've been down there and that that is the place that you see it firsthand. let me ask you before we run out of time and i'm sorry to interrupt but the president has threatened a shutdown of the southern border. how would that impact your community? >> it would be a killer. i mean we have, in addition to the migrant community that we're dealing with, and that issue, it is...

Repeat of the crimes that got them into prison in the first place and only affects federal prisons. this is important. there are nearly 181,000 inmates right now. that's less than 10% of america's prison population. that's why this is just a first step. it now goes to the house where it's expected to pass. then to the president who signaled to sign it into law. >> yes, it is just 10% but 10% more than it used to be so let's look closer as why reform is so important. the united states has the world's highest incarceration rate, about 655 per 100,000 people according to the world prison brief da...

To have a new gusher of spending, a new gusher of taxes and a new gusher of borrowing. >> a gusher of borrowing, which is what i just showed you he did. and that's not all. there are some ryan defenders who argue, well, part of that was compromising on policy in the obama era, and that's an argument but, again, let's just do the numbers. the clearest exposure of the ryan hypocrisy actually came just now in the last year because you had united republican government and ryan got one major bill passed into law in the trump era, this $1.5 trillion tax cut, which is growing the deficit. so look at ...

Of the administration -- >> i want to hold you on the deficit because that's what he ran on. that's what paul ryan and other republicans -- take a look. let's show the economic fact. barack obama leaves with a $587 billion deficit that was decreasing. donald trump and the republicans come in, it jumped to $782 billion. now they've lost control of the congress. is it wrong to run on something and then do the opposite? >> look, if that's the case, no politician would ever run for office. we see this from political party to political party, regardless. they say one thing, they get into washington...