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Fact, we would restore the confidence with the leadership that is here in washington. it's primed. we're primed from both competitive in the standpoint, primed from an energy standpoint, primed from a capital sitting on the sidelines. all we need is confidence and leadership. >> you're excited about america -- we have so many talking about how america's best days are behind us. you, i guess, like me, you're excited about america's economic future. things do look pretty good for us, don't they, in the long run? >> if we actually make the hard choices. if we continue to ignore the hard choices, ...

I know it's difficult my brother, but just listen. i'm embarrassed that we have an administration that ignores the debt, ignores an economy that is struggling, remember, it contracted in the last quarter, and it's projected to contract some more in the first and second quarter, ignored 23 million people who are out of work, ignored the fact that unemployment rates are going to go up. ignored 86 trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities. i'm embarrassed about that because the people in office that could do something about it are not doing anything about it. >> herman cain. >> and don't attack ru...

Not include the promises which are now made to the american people for all of the entitlements, mainly medicare and social security. and when you look at that over the future, you're looking at another $86 trillion of obligations. and that is not included. jenna: wow. i mean, $86 trillion is difficult to even conceptual ice. $16 trillion is tough enough. just so we have this straight, $16 trillion is what we owe, like our io,s right now, but you're saying another 90 trillion on top of that -- 70 trillion on top of that is what we will owe if things don't change. >> absolutely. and it's coming ...

Strongly urge congress to pursue comprehensive tax reform that lowers rates on all forms of business income while enacting significant entitlement reforms that put the federal budget on sustainable fiscal path." coburn says too much of the fiscal cliff debate focused on increasing taxes when cuts and reform are needed. >> we can take all the revenue and it wouldn't the problem. the real answer is as we have a demographic shift that is coming. to entitlement program that increased benefit without increasing the taxes to pay for entitlement programs. they are interrupt essentially. >> that is a ...

Nothing comes close. social security we could probably fix the same way tip o'neil and ronald reagan sat down together and they could figure something out. that is manageable. medicare and medicaid, massive problem down the road. that is where -- that is what our children have to worry about. >> when president obama was first elected he talk about the way it would bring down deficit. the campaign promise is to cut the deficit in half. he said he would do it by focusing at the center of his proposal, going to be entitlement reform. we have seen none of that. more than four years. >> bret: inter...