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Use your tax dollars for this. not for just throwing it in the general fund, but for specific things, people are more likely to do it. the fact is when you see the stuff that happened -- >> wn you see specific things -- >> it's never worked like that. and it's never going to work like that. and let's be clear. the president wants to use that money reduce the deficit. it will reduce the deficit by 863 -- >> he offered big cuts and the republicans walked from it. >> the most important thing to realize, ed, is even on this issue the republicans continue to mislead the american people. first of al...

Democratic senators that happen to agree the number is too low. but here's the biggest problem. if you went to the wealthiest americans and say i'm going to use your tax dollars for this. not for just throwing it in the general fund, but for specific things, people are more likely to do it. the fact is when you see the stuff that happened -- >> when you see specific things -- >> it's never worked like that. and it's never going to work like that. and let's be clear. the president wants to use that money reduce the deficit. it will reduce the deficit by 863 -- >> he offered big cuts and the rep...

What it would cost to get it from a medical supply company. why four times? people want that -- people want to know why. >> i think everybody understands the notion when you buy something, let's say like a steak, you want to have a really nice steak dinner at home. it is a lot less expensive to prepare it and enjoy it at home than it is out at a restaurant. >> reporter: if they want to charge you $863 for a disposable piece of equipment, they can do it? >> the hop has to be able to bring in more money than it spends or it won't be there for the next patient. >> elizabeth, what's the patient to...

$863.20. >> reporter: what went through your mind? >> i was outraged. listen, i'm a physician. this is an instrument that you are going to throw away. and i encountered a very arrogant young man from the billing department who basically said when you sign consent for the procedure, you allowed us to charge you anything we wanted to. >> reporter: you then went on the internet to see what it was cost to get that from a medical supply company. >> yes, i did. >> reporter: come show me what you found. >> a forcep, similar to the one i had, $192. >> reporter: you paid $863 but you can buy from a med...

To. >> and so you then went on the internet to see what it would cost to get a pair of forceps from a medical supply company. >> yes, i did. >> come show me what you found. >> a forcep similar to the one i had, $192. >> you paid $863 but you can buy it from a medical supply company for $192. >> yes, that's very troubling. >> i'm going to the american hospital association and ask them to please explain this mark-up to me. >> i thoroughly agree with that. >> the markup on these forceps was more than four times what it would cost to just get it from a medical supply company. why? four times. beca...