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The 800,000 furloughed employees got nothing out of it. what i'm hoping that we'll see is that finally they'll just leave the president out of it, which he should have been left out of it to begin with. they'll strike a deal that will give him border security. 5.7 billion is nothing compared to the 866 billion that we spent on the farm bill. we already lost 3 billion nonrecoverable from the shutdown to begin with. 5.7 being illion to give border security that includes all sorts of security. we can name it. most of all i am hoping that it gives a win on immigration reform, on the temporary prot...

Development to this country, which are things we desperately need. to amy's earlier point. look, there's an emerging divide against themselves. and scott walker, public enemy number one for the collective bargaining actions he took, but streamlining mining regulation that's through the support of private unions and he even, in his 2013 address had a lot of these blue collar workers standing behind him. i think there's a split among unions themselves particularly looking at public unions versus private unions. eric: julie, back to you, the trillion dollars or 866 billion dollars that barack oba...

>> look, my view is that $250,000 is the top 2% of this country. the other 98% should be somewhere between indifferent and in favor of doing this because it raises $866 billion over ten years. and you of all people, i think, agree we have got to do something about our deficits. and this is a big piece of it. >> what people see -- >> i see -- you can't even say that with a straight face. medicare, social security, defense spending, should we go down the list, it is always -- as a republican, i would say it is always taxes. it is always -- you always raise taxes, tell me, mr. president, where ha...

We're talking about $250,000 and you can have a good argument about small businesses there, and any time a conversation in a general election is about taxes i think republicans usually do pretty well. >> well, my view is that $250,000 is the top 2% of this country. the other 98% should be somewhere between indifferent and in favor of doing this because it raises $866 billion over ten years and you, of all people, i think, agree we have to do something about our defic deficits. >> right. >> this is a big piece of it. >> this is a big piece of it. i see you smirking. you can't even say that with...

Supportable. but that's par for the course, unfortunately, from the obama campaign. a lot of ads with a lot of false information in them. >> you say president obama's the only one that wants to raise taxes, steve rattner wants to raise taxes and he's here now. do you have a question? >> i don't know where, ed, you come up with the idea that president obama always wants to raise taxes. i don't think the health care bill raises taxes on the middle class at all. and the tax proposal he made the other day only raises taxes on the top 2%. 97% of small businesses are not in that top 2% and most of t...