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>> here is your ladder. >> which way should i head? just where everybody else is going? >> just head straight down. >> okay. >> and i'll meet you down there. >> okay. >> carry my ladder. got to carry it about, i don't know, a quarter mile, half mile to where i'm picking today. this is my line of trees right here. so i'll work down until i meet whoever that is on the other end somewhere in the middle. it's around $9.50 per tub. so my goal is to get at least six. if i was going to really make a living wage, i'd need to have that first tub filled in an hour. right here, go ahead and do these.

If you have a good robust work program you won't get people crossing the border illegally. they will come in legally do this work. i don't think this bill actually fixes that. i think there's some concern -- you know, i saw a statistic today that unemployment for those with a high school degree is only 24%. if you have a college degree, it's about 4%. we do have a lot of blue collar workers we have to be concerned with. >> that leads me to my next question. why are you personally, senator, in favor of bringing in new people to work, even though you voted against this bill, if we have so many a...

If you have a good robust work program you won't get people crossing the border illegally. they will come in legally do this work. i don't think this bill actually fixes that. i think there's some concern -- you know, i saw a statistic today that unemployment for those with a high school degree is only 24%. if you have a college degree, it's about 4%. we do have a lot of blue collar workers we have to be concerned with. >> that leads me to my next question. why are you personally, senator, in favor of bringing in new people to work, even though you voted against this bill, if we have so many a...

Obsession he has with raising taxes and let's engage in a real conversation about how to bring the debt under control and more importantly, about growing our economy rapidly because that's the only way we're going to create the jobs we need and bring our debt down. >> steve: all right. senator, we're going to put up on the screen a list of the president's agenda. he'd like to -- i'm going to start with the second one, expand preschool programs. he'd like $40 billion toward infrastructure, shovel ready stuff. he'd like to combat climate change. now the first item, he would like to increase the ...

That will be released in the next several days. as of right now, a big question mark about how the larger proposals are going to be paid for. we expect president obama not just to be out on the road this week, but the coming weeks as he tries to get the policies passed. gun control could be the most difficult. a lot of resistance to that in congress. >> thanks for that. in the guest spot is former pennsylvania governor nbc news analyst and all-around the democratic analyst ed rendell. thank you very much for joining us. one thing i would like to focus on was the surprise element president obam...