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Stance on abortion and a border fence and about his stance on his 9-9-9 plan, herman cain you ask him a question and he gives you an story and another story the next time you push him on it. this shows that herman and his campaign, they are simply not ready for the spotlight they are under right now. >> what's the solution then? they are not ready for the spotlight. what do they do with them? the statements that have come from cain and his surrogates, is that good enough? is it detailed enough? >> i don't think it will be detailed enough at the end of the day. what happens on day three or four...

23% mitt romney second with 22%, rick perry tied with najibullah for fifthç place each got 7%. cain is responding to -- questions about his unconventional campaign strategy which -- [ unintelligible ] >> reporter: herman cain appeared on tv this morning denying he's the anti-romney candidate and his message is resonatinging with the american people. the former pizza executive has proposed major tax reform. the so-called 9-9-9 plan. he's a favorite of the tea party conservatives. this morning he gave these reasons for his first place showing in the latest iowa poll. >> i believe that i'm doin...

Tax, including 16 million elderly americans, you concede they would, in fact, pay more. >> not the elderly. that's two different groups. let's talk about the eldly. you don't pay taxes on your social security income. it replaces the capital gains tax. many of the elderly make money off of their investments, they won't pay that. tax on dividends and tax on income generated from investments, you only pay once. so in that sense, it helps the elderly. >> the other defect in the plan comes from fellow conservatives who say, you got some problems here. this is what "the wall street journal" said abo...

>> we need to talk about the jobs. >> he thought it was an attempt to unstage his flat tax. but last night on the eve of unveiling it he said sometimes it's fun to poke at the president and ask where are your grades, where is your birth certificate? >> bret: more on this with the panel. thank you. flax tax is not new, but perry's plan has extras. and wrinkles. as we did with herman cain's 9-9-9 plan, chief washington correspondent jim angle breaks it down. >> governor perry is proposing more of a flat tax and he makes the sweeping changes in taxes and spending, including the goal of balanced b...