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Announced back in may, the end of june, president trump changed his mind and backed down, said they would have every kid back together with their parent by last sunday. we now see that's plainly untrue. that wasn't true. and that at no point has anyone really been in control of this situation in the white house or at the department of justice. mike: to be fair, though, there are a lot of americans who are all for legal immigration but they do think the government should enforce the border, no? >> no, absolutely. the issue at stake with these children specifically is these are individuals who a...

Human rights but they should really go to break bread, not families, and sign up for the fast and get others involved and that's really -- we need a grassroots movement as we just heard, this administration bows to pressure and we need to keep that pressure on. we want to do two things. we want to reunite those families but we don't want to reunite them in internment camps. president trump said, don't worry, we're going to bring those families back to the but he didn't say we're taking the 4, 5 and 6-year-olds out of cages. his plan is to keep them in cages. i think it's supposed to be 116 deg...

Guilty. it's something that in my experience defending criminal cases you just don't see. and you can attribute this skyrocketing docket to the increased prosecution not of the felony cases but the misdemeanor cases. >> i want to ask you quickly something the president brought up again just now when he did this event at the white house, which is suggesting catch and release means that asylum seekers are set loose and never appear for the immigration hearing. want to read what jennifer ruben wrote in the "washington post." under the intensive supervision papers program which used ankle monitors...

Out that the amount of -- the amounts that are in dispute in his reporting are $20,000 out of what he said was 3.5 million. he said that was 99.3% accurate. there's actually 4.5 million in the total flow we know about now. so that makes michael avenatti's number 99.6% accurate, which i had figured out all on my own before michael avenatti said that. >> it is an -- i mean, tactically it's an interesting thing to take a document that's been substantially admitted to, at&t and the company associated with the russian oligarch, saying yeah that's all true. so it's a tactically interesting move to s...

Broader perspective here is the information he put forward turned out to be 99.6% accurate. who could have imagined just a few days ago that the single least slimy transaction would be paying a former adult star $130,000 to be quiet about her affair with the president. what is piling up is a powerful tale of corruption and undisclosed payments. where they came from, particularly the payments from the russian oligarch, are troubling and there's a lot more to come out about that. >> the explanations from the companies about why they spent money with michael cohen vary in, i guess, laughability i...