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Trillion. it is going up by around $3.3 billion a day. that means that we're going to hit $17 trillion round-about mid september. remember it was september 4th last year when we crossed 16 trillion. whether that is sustainable or not depends on your politics or the economic opinion. the fact it is mounting dramatically. case closed. >> so much is said whether or not we should balance the budget. paul ryan's budget balances it in in ten years. when you ask the democrats when theirs balances it works towards balancing which never actually does according to the numbers that we're seeing. the pres...

We could do a whole lot if we could just sit around the table as reasonable, practical people and develop a çplan. >> john, what i would love to do, i would like to schedule a meeting between yourself, myself, and officer perez and invite a few other folks and see if we with our resources can begin to elevate this conversation. would you be up for that john? >> absolutely. let's do it. >> all right. >> most definitely. really just uniting folks like operation free, which is a coalition of veterans for clean energy. there's more veterans out there just like myself. >> i do not doubt that. con...

Differentiated themselves from that. they have allowed that to be the r.,1%9ñplan. >> gene, what do you want? >> they want his votes. they want his people. they don't think he's going anywhere. he's got to follow -- they don't sjsá to alienate thate1 followi. they want to attract that following. so they won't be too rough on it. >> how tough will it be when the two accusers come out? >> we'll see what they have to say, because i think the theme of the commentary for more than a week, here's the moment when herman cain ise1 going to starto plummet. i thinke1 i have heard that fou orw3 fiefrve...