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States as the power to pardon people that was granted by the constitution just as he has the power to say, recall a ambassador. if the purpose is corrupt enough, what then is to stop him? would it be constitutional for a president to offer a pardon for half a million dollars or recall an ambassador because she wouldn'tb have a romantic relationship with him? neither of those pertain here. but the point is there must be limits to the powers if abused and the only constitutional remedy is impeachment, which is why we're where we are. i'm joined by harvard law frofeser, the administrator for the ...

Regarding ukraine. joining me now a former administrator from the white house under president obama, and author of impeechlt, a citizen's guide. professor, good to see you. >> good to see you. >> whatever some of your key observations made in this week of public testimony? >> there's been a great deal of clarity in a really short time. i think everyone agrees now that if the president actually used taxpayer money successfully to coerce or influence ukraine to interfere in our elections by prosecuting a family of a potential political opponent, if he intentionally did that and if he had succeed...

Professor who served as president obama's regulatory czar and author of the book "impeachment colon a --: a citizen's guide." >> was this critical testimony? >> he said something that he tried to walk back but it didn't have the kind of enthusiasm and clarity that one would like if one were president of the united states today. >> that with the backdrop of this week, lots of depositions are planned. bill taylor, the acting ambassador to ukraine, is set for tuesday. if you recall, he's the one who raised concerns in text messages

Debt, that's not productive. it doesn't create the right kind of jobs. we need that kind of bank for united states. i call it the american private investment corporation. >> sounds like the beginning of a solution to me. finally, a citizen's guide for restoring our competitive advantage. we know basically we're like an oil painter who talks about the grand painting we're about to make. you walk in the studio, and they're using finger paints. you're talking about monet, but you have a finger paint set sitting over here. >> dylan, we need to become 21st century citizens. and 21st century citizen...