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Between her desire to do more serious issues and what were afternoon syndicated -- >> but you know, if you remember, when she came in, people thought she could be the next oprah winfrey, which was a big, big pair of shoes to fill. she did do 2.2 million people a day. that's impressive. she didn't fail totally in this show. in baltimore, she was with the worst station. >> the local angle. >> and it was a mutual decision, they say, between abc and couric to end this show. i want to turn to duck dynasty. this has become a cultural war topic. i'm getting a tweet. phil robertson not out of the li...

Nobody complained to him about it. he's not there as an anchor or spokesperson for a&e, i think she could have just said that. >> did they overreact and could they ever kept him on the air if he apologized? >> they make a lot of money about these top rated shows. >> it's the top rated cable shows. >> yes. and, in fact, they're going to run a marathon over the holiday that's includes a bunch of stuff from him. eventually, they will have to patch it up because the family has made clear that they're not happy about this. they put out a statement saying we can't imagine going forward with this sho...

Nobody complained to him about it. he's not there as an anchor or spokesperson for a&e, i think she could have just said that. >> did they overreact and could they ever kept him on the air if he apologized? >> they make a lot of money about these top rated shows. >> it's the top rated cable shows. >> yes. and, in fact, they're going to run a marathon over the holiday that's includes a bunch of stuff from him. eventually, they will have to patch it up because the family has made clear that they're not happy about this. they put out a statement saying we can't imagine going forward with this sho...

Wants and there is a right to fire him. and another, a and e was correct and it is a corporate decision and has nothing to do with freedom of speech and religion. and another, he can say what he wants lose show, followers and political correctness is fashist. and another, the upcoming season is blow over and then a and e will have the another hick show. i can't keep an eye on every local newscast in the country, but have i some help. none other than conan o'brian through some investigative reporting his show found a striking similarity this season among america's local anchors. >> who are you ...

Show is so popular -- and this is true of every reality show that has a huge audience -- is it connects at some deeper cultural level. and that's exactly what this show does and that's why you now see this pushback from people who believe on the one hand that this man was expressing a religious belief and the media and the left is trying to quash his right to say this. and then people in other parts of the country who have a feeling that this kind of remark is hateful and causes divisiveness in the country and is unnecessary, really, i mean, there are people who believe this is hate speech, yo...