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To me, many people would say, well what if she's a little crazy? what if she doesn't present well? this is just the full package, as someone said, package for television. but natural. but totally natural. you see the emotion. you see at times when people complimented her, she became so emotional even than how she controlled herself likened to the dignity of anita hill all those years ago, just the dignity and grace with which she presented this terrible story. >> joyce vance, former u.s. attorney, how about taking dr. ford, who comes across as someone who could conceivably be anyone and everyo...

The far right. lin linda, this is a rare combination, to my question to joyce, of personality and education and intellect, what we're seeing here. >> very, very rare combination. and as joyce said, the expert witness piece within. did she take that route. did she do the psychological thing to deal with her own trauma, to help her understand why this has impacted her. it's really fascinating. >> yes. joyce, go ahead. we're just watching members of the republican caucus go back in. there's mike lee and jeff flake. >> i was going to say, one point we haven't touched on is her compelling reason fo...

Designated questioner, the sex crimes expert from the state of arizona. the democrats are going individually and taking their time. some of them giving more statements than q & a. joyce vance, to mimi's point, which is so important, there is now, speaking of dichotomies, this yawning gap between the brett kavanaugh that he has insisted he is, and put forward in media appearance, and the brett kavanaugh we are seeing and hearing portrayed. >> that's absolutely right. and the answer to closing that gap is his best friend, mark judge, who hasn't been subpoenaed today, who wrote a letter saying th...