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Could look like a picnic by comparison. $14 trillion -- >> i don't think i was wrong. >> will get worse if it is a larger number. >> there is one thing, i like to measure the debt as a share of our economy. of the economy is bigger the main thing we always have is grow the economy, your ability to finance the debt. the thing that changed a lot in 30 years is interest rates when i came to washington were 10% or 11%, now they are to present. >> it begs the question we do have a spending problem and as fervent a proponent of the president's policy as you are i have not heard the land he says

World stage, taking place in both parties. in the republican debate, you heard marco rubio a proponent of a more ---pulled back american presence, what we have seen take place in the vacuum is chaos, more terror attacks and so on. and then rand paul perhaps the most, the leeding exponent of a more restrained america on the world stage arguing that it's simply not conservative spending millions of dollars to rebuild the military and so on and that's something we'll hear more on as from the democratic primary as it continues answer the republican primary as it continues. >> when the president sp...