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What he calls a smear campaign. joining us is chris frates of cnn investigations and, chris, you spoke with james mitchell. interestingly enough, it's a pseudonym used in the report. the name james mitchell doesn't appear there but everyone knows or seems to know they're talking about him. what does he say about all this? >> good morning, john. actually, james mitchell is his real name. he is referred to in the report by a pseudonym and when i talked to james mitchell, he couldn't confirm or deny that he's the psychologist named in that report because he has a non-disclosure agreement. but he ...

Enhanced interrogation techniques that ultimately did lead to bin laden's capture and outraged liberals says the tactics have nothing to do with finding the terrorist. if you don't believe hollywood, how about the guy who set up and witnessed enhanced interrogation and what he said on this very show, what he saw with his own eyes. >> you don't think that we would have gotten without the techniques leading to the intelligence. >> well, the reason why, because there's a clear trail. there was someone that we captured. a facilitator that we captured in 2004 that told us about bin laden's courier ...

Enhanced interrogation techniques that ultimately did lead to bin laden's capture and outraged liberals says the tactics have nothing to do with finding the terrorist. if you don't believe hollywood, how about the guy who set up and witnessed enhanced interrogation and what he said on this very show, what he saw with his own eyes. >> you don't think that we would have gotten without the techniques leading to the intelligence. >> well, the reason why, because there's a clear trail. there was someone that we captured. a facilitator that we captured in 2004 that told us about bin laden's courier ...

Killing osama bin laden, but those programs saved american lives. we know now because of declassified intelligence that those programs helped us to prevent terror attacks on this nation. >> sean: he opposes enhanced interrogation, uponned to close gitmo, said he would do it on day 1. didn't happen. he opposed rendition. we interviewed jose rodriguez. he was there when -- when the waterboarding, the enhanced interrogations occurred. i asked him, would we have been able to find bin laden if we had not used the intelligence-gathering that obama opposed. here's his answer. you don't think we would...

America. >> you told me in the green room that -- >> it was like a scene out of "bathhouse." guys in shiny shoes and sitting on steps and it was creepy. >> bill, was he the mvp -- maybe not of that night, but of your life? >> considering how shirt that skirt was he was an mvp, but i don't think we mean player. and why would richard simmons use a pseudonym. this would be great publicity for him. >> why are we singing cirque de soleil -- why are we seeing cirque de soleil during football? >> i was not board. that was entertaining. >> it is a football game. >> usually have i to go to chelsea and ...