what he calls a smear campaign. joining us is chris frates of cnn investigations and, chris, you spoke with james mitchell. interestingly enough, it's a pseudonym used in the report. the name james mitchell doesn't appear there but everyone knows or seems to know they're talking about him. what does he say about all this? >> good morning, john. actually, james mitchell is his real name. he is referred to in the report by a pseudonym and when i talked to james mitchell, he couldn't confirm or deny that he's the psychologist named in that report because he has a non-disclosure agreement. but he had pretty strong feelings, calling the report a partisan bottle of bull. he used a much more colorful word than that which isn't suitable for tv. he said when the interrogation program was operating cia officials were in a running gun battle with al qaeda, a group they knew very little about and they did the best they could given the information they had, berman. >> so he and this other man, apparently the two of them