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Say certain things at npr and juan did, and that's what happened there, mary katharine. >> i think it became such a silly display. that's where if you follow this stuff to it's ridiculous conclusion you end up with that situation. it's fine to be sensitive and not prejudge people and to be polite and kind and open to new experiences. all that is fine and good and liberal. and i do it. but, you know, it just became this thing where she is defending an organization that has like 86% white male affluent like leaders or listenership and it became this ridiculous thing. >> bill: right. >> the irony...

Street late at night you are saying oh i'm not going to think this t. through? caroline, i think you are way off base. >> bill: now juan williams with mary katharine ham. t.l. went after you on friday, do you know what a t.l. is? >> i do not. >> bill: mary katharine? >> no, i have no idea. >> bill: a t.l., i'm coining the phrase this evening. >> okay. >> bill: everybody got their no spin pens? totalitarian liberal. okay? and here is why. in the world of t.l.'s, totalitarian liberals, you cannot, juan, criticize any minority for anything, ever. that's what you ran up against. >> yeah. i think s...

That is totalitarian, you cannot say certain things at npr and juan did, and that's what happened there, mary katharine. >> i think it became such a silly display. that's where if you follow this stuff to it's ridiculous conclusion you end up with that situation. it's fine to be sensitive and not prejudge people and to be polite and kind and open to new experiences. all that is fine and good and liberal. and i do it. but, you know, it just became this thing where she is defending an organization that has like 86% white male affluent like leaders or listenership and it became this ridiculous th...

That is totalitarian, you cannot say certain things at npr and juan did, and that's what happened there, mary katharine. >> i think it became such a silly display. that's where if you follow this stuff to it's ridiculous conclusion you end up with that situation. it's fine to be sensitive and not prejudge people and to be polite and kind and open to new experiences. all that is fine and good and liberal. and i do it. but, you know, it just became this thing where she is defending an organization that has like 86% white male affluent like leaders or listenership and it became this ridiculous th...

Saying oh i'm not going to think this t. through? caroline, i think you are way off base. >> bill: now juan williams with mary katharine ham. t.l. went after you on friday, do you know what a t.l. is? >> i do not. >> bill: mary katharine? >> no, i have no idea. >> bill: a t.l., i'm coining the phrase this evening. >> okay. >> bill: everybody got their no spin pens? totalitarian liberal. okay? and here is why. in the world of t.l.'s, totalitarian liberals, you cannot, juan, criticize any minority for anything, ever. that's what you ran up against. >> yeah. i think she was involved in pretense i...