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Opportunity that people around president erdogan to unseat a rival and they are trying to use the lech rverage that they have. this goes back, if you'll give me a second here. >> yeah, please. >> reporter: to the arab spring. we talked in our last conversation about the longer rivalry about the islamic world. but think back to the -- to the arab spring. there was a series of revolutions. almost all of them failed. there was revolutions in egypt, islamists started rising to power. there was a trend that the muslim brotherhood tried to take ownership of, and all of these revolutions failed. what...

Eastern politics. he was the mayor of the city, he was the prime minister, he changed the government structure here. now he's president. he knows how to use power in the middle east well. he sees his rival, mohammad bin salman, a young upstart in his opinion, who just made potentially an enormous mistake. and turkey is going to use every lever that it has and now it has a very big lever to pressure the saudis and see if they can unseat mohammad bin salman, which would be an enormous, enormous change for the dynamics in the middle east as you were just discussing. >> richard, in europe, because...