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President's circle, so much participation from people close, and in the white house, who sat for hours of depositions that these other figures, while it would have been nice of course, to have their thoughts, were not really material to the investigation at the end of the day. >> these moments that are coming to light in the transcripts where we hear trump admitting he lost the election, does that give the conspiracy to defraud the u.s. referral more weight? >> absolutely. in the wake of an unsuccessful conspiracy or contempt charge you need to frame the defendant's frame of mind and i think w...

Conversations with us. there needs to be an ongoing damage assessment which is a counter intelligence review, which has to go hand in hand with the investigation to see who in the president's circle, former president, if not the president himself, has been talking about this information. you saw judge dearie quite clearly pointing out that even he doesn't think in clear instances he could see all the documents because there are different colors of classification. it's not just top secret and secret, there's also the very sensitive compartments to go into some of those privileged, unique and hi...

Nobles, thank you very, very much. joining us now, the author of a book to end the presidency, the power of impeachment. there you see the cover. professor tribe, thank you so much for joining us. thanks for all your important work over the years. you heard that new reporting from ryan nobles, our correspondent up on capitol hill. what is this new avenue, potential witness tampering actually mean for the investigation both for the committee and potentially for the department of justice? >> well, it means that in addition to the very serious crimes of inciting and aiding and abetting insurrecti...

Telling the truth, that could lead to a crime. >> kplexcellent reporting. joining us now, the author of a book to end the presidency, the power of impeachment. thanks for all your important work over the years. you heard that new reporting from ryan nobles on capitol hill. what is this new avenue, potential witness tampering actually mean for the investigation both for the committee and potentially for the department of justice? >> well, it means that in addition to the very serious crimes of inciting and aiding and abetting insurrection and seditious conspiracy that appear to have been commit...

Regional expressions and the accent is more quirky in particular in boston and massachusetts, new england, than anywhere else in the country. is that something you found traveling around? >> i definitely found that to be true. my father is originally from north carolina. so every summer as kids we would go to north carolina to visit his relatives and clearly coming from cambridge, mass, where we grew up, to north carolina, we would have all these different words. for example, we're going to a store in north carolina, as kids go, i want a tonic. a tonic? they come up with a jar of -- and then t...