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In the single digits, under 10%. >> my understanding is that also the best guess for other alternatives is also rather low. the baseline that we're dealing with when we're talking about people in the groups of addiction, whether that's alcohol specifically or narcotics and other drugs, is we're dealing with relatively low success rates. the question is, how do you define success. >> exactly. aa defines success with abstinence. that's the metric, that's the yardstick. a lot of people have a really hard time to keep to that. >> what's your feeling about this? >> i think it is a very dangerous to...

Treatment. >> the best guess is that it's in the single digits under 10%. >> my understanding is that also the best guess for other alternatives is also rather low. the baseline that we're dealing with when we're talking about people in the groups of addiction, whether that's alcohol specifically or narcotics and other drugs, is we're dealing with relatively low success rates. the question is how do you define success. >> exactly. aa defines success with ab sti nance. that's the metric that's the yardstick. a lot of people have a really hard time to keep to that. >> what's your feeling about t...

Get the oxygen and money into the other stuff. >> exactly. and we know that in a long list of treatments, aa, an assessment of treatments, aa comes out on the bottom, if you're just doing aa by itself, alone. motivational interviewing, which is helping people resolve the ambivalence they have about using their drugs or drinking, and there are also lots of peer supported groups, smart recovery, practical recovery, women for sobriety that are also >> i don't know why someone would be to attack aa in order to advise that there are other treatments available. i think anybody who is dealing with an...

The bottom if you're just doing aa by itself, alone. motivational interviewing which is helping people resolve the ambivalence they have about using their drugs or drinking and there are also lots of peer supported groups smart recovery, practical recovery women for sobriety that are also -- >> i don't know why someone would be to attack aa in order to advise that there are other treatments available. i think anybody who is dealing with an addiction, we have to know and get the message out there. no one treatment is right for everybody. if aa doesn't work for you, it doesn't mean aa is a failu...