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Their issues, and staying abstinent for up to two years. that there's a 20% difference if you look at controlled random studies. so it really depends on the quality of the study, how you're interpreting the study. and your own bias. i would love to know this man's bias, and where he's coming from. >> i actually think there is a little more empirically, from i've been able to determine from the literature, to support the aa efficacy. >> what's supported is the social connection that it engenders. that 12-step is not aa. 12-step facilitation is not aa. >> the efficacy is actually coming out of t...

And your own bias. i would love to know this man's bias, and where he's coming from. >> i actually think there is a little more empirically, from what i've been able to determine from the literature, to support the aa efficacy. >> what's supported is the social connection that it engenders. >> and that's huge. >> but the 12-step facilitation is not aa. >> right, this is an important point. no no just the point that the efficacy is actually coming out of the social connection produced by aa as opposed to the specific steps. but i think i would urge people to read this article. we are in a situa...

Interpreting the study. and your own bias. i would love to know this man's bias, and where he's coming from. >> i actually think there is a little more empirically, from i've been able to determine from the literature, to support the aa efficacy. >> what's supported is the social connection that it engenders. that 12-step is not aa. 12-step facilitation is not aa. >> the efficacy is actually coming out of the social connection produced by aa as opposed to the specific steps. but i think i would urge people to read this article. in heroin we're in a situation where people are struggling so hard...