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January of 2013. if we do that, fitch says we will keep our aaa rating but is that enough for the other ratings agencies? they want 3 or 4 trillion cut over a 10-year period. that would keep america at its present ratings level but at the moment europe looks so bad that we look a little better, therefore the money is flowing in here. bill: that 15 trillion dollar figure will scare a lot of people no matter how optimistic you are. europe is predicting a recession but there are some countries in europe say that is nothing. they're headed for a depression? >> yes, they are. bill: a depression? >>...

At $100 billion, according to the "wall street journal." got to ask you, too, geoff, about fitch, the credit rating agency, giving the united states a negative outlook, keeping the aaa rating, but a negative outlook for our economy. >> yeah, this is interesting, isn't it? fitch is basically saying get your budget in order and we're going to give you until 2013. what they're saying here is that super committee failure now puts pressure on the government, really, to come up with some ways of cutting the deficit here, and if fitch doesn't see anything happen before 2013, that's when they would po...

They were too big to fail. we had to use taxpayer dollars to bill them out, otherwise we would all have to pay. now we are looking at europe, they are you two big to fail, we are talking about the imf and what role they will play. >> reporter: it's precisely the same situation, are we going to let things crash or spend some serious money? either germ answer, americans, or the rest of the world, are we going to let them crash? odds are, no, we'll print some money. megyn: wow for italy, and european ultimately ourselves. stu thank you. at the same time as europe stands at the brink we get a new ...

>>neil: we are just getting word that the investment agency has afilled our aaa rating on u.s. debt but revised the outlook to negative so that may not last. there are three premiere debt rating agencies: s&p 500 which lowered that aaa rating, and that was a smack. and moody's has hinted of a similar move to follow. we have not heard from moody's. but this means two of the three rating agencies have at the least revised their out look for u.s. debt to negative. and s&p could move to downgrade debt if this quagmire in washington over getting spending under control continues. >> in the meantime,...

On in europe, the flight to u.s. treasuries and the dollar is going to continue. also, what's going on in china, for the first time, china is aborting capitol because folks are worried about their -- about its accounting system. if people buy u.s. bonds, they'll be safe. megyn: do you take the warnings seriously, do you believe this is saber rattling by these credit agencies because they don't want to see the cuts roll back? >> no, this is normal operating procedure. they're also warning france if it doesn't get its finances in order it will lose its aaa rating and it's quite appropriate. u.s....