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Support and being kept alive until their family members can get there. that travel, not paid during the shutdown. of course, families can still pay their own way on all of these expenses. they may get reimbursed when the shutdown is over. this is a package of benefits that has been available to military families for nearly a decade of war and right now they are not going to be paid. needless to say, the pentagon, not very happy. >> yeah. barbara starr, reporting live from the pentagon this morning. also this morning, there are new tensions between the united states and lib ra over the specia...

Fine job but it is especially damaging when this happens in a democratic administration. i know life is not fair. it was jfk a democratic president who said that. in the bush administration the irs was aaccused of targeting the naacp. it wasn't as big a deal as this because the fundamental philosophy that my people are putting out is that government can be good and you should trust government to do certain things like health insurance. though we've had scandals like this in republican administrations i think it is more damaging in a democratic. >> let me get you both to weigh in quickly on eri...

Imagination that we do that in america any more. abbey, i know that you have been here before. we talked about what you saw as the turning point. were you surprised by what you saw here? >> i think the heinous nature of what was taking place to these women and children is, of course, shocking and it should be shocking to any one. but to know that it was taking place inside of an abortion clinic, no, i can't say that i was shocked to hear that. these abortionists will pretty much do anything for a paycheck. and you know, gosnell was charging 4 or 5, $6,000 for women to take the lives of their u...

America any more. abbey, i know that you have been here before. we talked about what you saw as the turning point. were you surprised by what you saw here? >> i think the heinous nature of what was taking place to these women and children is, of course, shocking and it should be shocking to any one. but to know that it was taking place inside of an abortion clinic, no, i can't say that i was shocked to hear that. these abortionists will pretty much do anything for a paycheck. and you know, gosnell was charging 4 or 5, $6,000 for women to take the lives of their unborn children. i can't say i w...

America any more. abbey, i know that you have been here before. we talked about what you saw as the turning point. were you surprised by what you saw here? >> i think the heinous nature of what was taking place to these women and children is, of course, shocking and it should be shocking to any one. but to know that it was taking place inside of an abortion clinic, no, i can't say that i was shocked to hear that. these abortionists will pretty much do anything for a paycheck. and you know, gosnell was charging 4 or 5, $6,000 for women to take the lives of their unborn children. i can't say i w...