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>> you were on the ground when he came out -- >> after he came out. >> moved into the negotiations which were critical. >> went up and down in 1992, had a break in the negotiations, a serious break over violence. the two presidents, the two leaders, nelson mandela and f.w. de klerk came together, one of the things they agreed, which is a lesson for other peace processes that thereafter to acts of violence would be allowed to interrupt the peace process. the spoilers would not be allowed to do that. it was important because there was a lot of violence after that. >> that was also true of the no...

Aagreement forward. that was necessary to do that. more importantly than that, this sets the overall tone of the approach to nuclear weapons throughout the world. otherwise nations -- look at the united states and said, you're not reducing your nuclear weapons. what are you doing about it? the united states committed many, me years ago to move toward the understand of nuclear weapons. everyone understood the problems. we've got to do it in a safe way, and so this is a step in the right direction. >> general, thank you very much for your time. to breaking nude in hadley, massachusetts where t...