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Would be great, but you have to change the culture. and i asked some of these gusts, how do you reform, this and it's really just kind of amorphous. because you have to make the individual officers care enough about human life to make sure that they do the right thing. what is the answer? is there one? >> well even more than that katie, besides just correcting individual animus, we have to recognize that this is a systemic issue. that when you look at the roots of policing enslaved patrols, during one of the most heinous chapters of american history, when you look at the fact that so often thi...

Asks something of us. it asks something of us. and spirituality is a little bit more amorphous, and we can all be spiritual and we are all spiritualand, like, well, of course we are all spiritual. but religion requires... it's spirituality with rigour. it requires something of us. and that action, i think, is probably what it is all about. so, what does being religious require of you? for me, i am more inclined to do religious things, like go to church, pray, read scripture. i mean, i have always done these things anyway, actually. even in my most chaotic times, i've done those sorts of things...

The trajectory of the songs is, they all seem to move upwards like that and so there was a lot i got from that in a very positive... there is a weird joyfulness about ghosteen that is often overlooked. # well, the moon won't get a wink of sleep. # if i stay all night and talk. in the conversations, you talk about a very definite difference between being spiritual and being religious. you know, i think religion asks something of us. it asks something of us. and spirituality is a little bit more amorphous, and we can all be spiritual and we are all spiritualand, like, well, of course

In a very positive... there is a weird joyfulness about ghosteen that is often overlooked. # well, the moon won't get a wink of sleep. # if i stay all night and talk. in the conversations, you talk about a very definite difference between being spiritual and being religious. you know, i think religion asks something of us. it asks something of us. and spirituality is a little bit more amorphous, and we can all be spiritual and we are allspiritualand, like, well, of course we are all spiritual. but religion requires... it's spirituality with rigour. it requires something of us.

Difference between being spiritual and being religious. you know, i think religion asks something of us. it asks something of us. and spirituality is a little bit more amorphous, and we can all be spiritual and we are all spiritualand, like, well, of course we are all spiritual. but religion requires... it's spirituality with rigour. it requires something of us. and that action, i think, is probably what it is all about. so, what does being religious require of you? for me, i am more inclined to do religious things, like go to church, pray, read scripture. i mean, i have always done these thin...