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>> what goes on here. >> dr. freud to the white courtesy telephone, that's all i can say, chris. why she's talking about the president growing a big stick is beyond me. she has a unique way with word and she is the person -- those early big stick is new to me. those early sarah palin rallies in 2008, they were pretty tea party rallies. the president palled around with terrorists and that he didn't see america the same way that we did. so this is just a continuation and the really sad thing is that now we have the candidate for president, mitt romney, sounding more like sarah palin than john mc...

>> yes, she has -- >> what goes on here? >> dr. freud to the white courtesy telephone, that's all i can say, chris. why she's talking about the president growing a big stick is beyond me. but she does havehas. and she is the person, those early sarah palin rallies in 2008, they were proto-tea party rallies. she really was the person that pioneered this notion that the president palled around with terrorists and that he didn't see america the same way that we did. so this is just a continuation. and the really sad thing is that now we have the candidate for president, mitt romney, sounding more...

>> the spoon thing is something politicians have used for decades before romney existed. >> obama himself used it to talk about harry reid, to talk about kent conrad in the past two or three years. he has said this himself. and the other thing is fine, you want to bring george romney into this. think about the message that obama was trying to convey there. it was basically an affirmation of the social contract. i got ahead because there was a safety net that was there to propel me and my wife forward. george romney believed deeply in the social safety net who supported education programs, anti...

Decades before romney existed. >> obama himself used it to talk about harry reid, to talk about kent conrad in the past two or three years. he has said this himself. and the other thing is fine, you want to bring george romney into this. think about the message that obama was trying to convey there. it was basically an affirmation of the social contract. i got ahead because there was a safety net that was there to propel me and my wife forward. george romney believed deeply in the social safety net who supported education programs, anti-poverty programs, public housing. look at what he did at ...

Palled around in the ford administration and they saw you as the interloper and new kid on the block, was that problematic? >> we did have disagreements but they were substantive and obviously personalities sometimes make substantive disagreements difficult but they were not personal. i felt like i had a good relationship with my colleagues and no, i never felt like an interloper. the national security advisor's job is not imposing their will and make a big dole of my opinion, but rather to bring to the president the opinions and coordinate the policy. obviously structurally as secretary of st...