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Secondly, as secret as the nsa is, we know there's serious abuse, in 2011, there was an 86-page ruling from the fisa court saying what the nsa was doing, systematically violated the constitution and the law. ron whiting just this week got james clapper to admit there are numerous violations of the law that the nsa is committing and they try to slough it off and say it's not intentional. it's much more serious than the government is letting on. the problem is, it's all done in secret, the lesson of the united states historically, over the last century, is that if you build the surveillance syst...

In any other search and seizure situation. i'm a former federal prosecutor, i know about it well, there is a period of time when the warrant can be kept secret, the search and seizure may be done, but eventually it's tested by rules of admissibility in open court. >> as a united states senator, as you look at the revelations we've had over the last six weeks to a month, how much of this did you know, and how much of this is news to you. how much are you learning about what the government that you are charged with overseeing and holding accountable is doing from the newspaper and how much of th...

The time in secret, ron widen, senator widen my colleague has actually made speeches on the floor of the senate saying the american people would be outraged. i'm paraphrasing, dissatisfied or frightened. i can't tell you why if they knew about these rulings. we may need to relook at some of the procedures for oversight and scrutiny. >> here's the question to you, is the last month many the news about surveillance and privacy and secrecy, has it been a net benefit to american democracy? is it better that we now know what we did not know a month to six weeks ago? >> i'm concerned about the damag...