Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20130801:00:13:00
Institutional norms stop people from doing. what's your response to that argument? >> i have two responses to that argument. if the nsa were free of serious abuse, it would be the first time in history that a massive strong potent surveillance system was created in the dark with no checks and human beings didn't abuse it. the history of the united states should lead anyone to realize that building a massive surveillance state will lead to abu abuse. that was the lessen of the church committee, for decades the united states government abused surveillance because nobody was looking over their sh...