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Clint watts, an msnbc contributor, former fbi be agent said these are very dangerous questions for the president because he doesn't note everything that mueller knows. and ryan goodman and alex writing making the same point you made, mueller's questions show it is likely mueller has already identified crimes involving collusion and asking only about trump's personal knowledge and personal involvement. do you think the legal team has been undertaking a legal team under giuliani to lay the groundwork to say the president is not going to do it. >> yes, that's my best take on the leak. that they a...

Period, full stop. and that's the number one thing that they want to avoid. so i think the leak is designed to begin to portray an out-of-control prosecutor. of course, these are all very kind of obvious straightforward questions to anyone who has been following the probe and i don't think they play very well as overreaching. >> and it seems, david, we are hurtaling now, we're hurtling toward some confrontation as you said. there's going to be a fight. if the president says no, mueller then sends a subpoena. it goes to a court. this is where things get very serious. >> we are. it's important t...

David lean hard from the "new york times" his latest piece is called "the truth is coming for frump," and harry litman. david, had you something you want to say. >> i was going to say, carol made the point mueller is not going to limit himself to this list of questions. mueller is not just a lawyer. he's a political animal. he's held political appointments been in washington a long time and understands how the game works. he understands he's at risk of getting fired by the president of the united states. we should assume that i'm not saying i have knowledge of this, but there is every reason t...

Lines. we're looking at a legal battle. it's much more likely than it seemed three weeks ago that mueller will serve a subpoena. trump will try to quash it and we're off to the races in the federal courtses. >> what does that look like to you, david? >> i mean it looks on the one hand like a big mess but this is a mess we should want. as harry said, this is about the rule of law. we are supposed to be a nation of laws, supposed to be a place where power does not allow you to subvert and twist the justice system. it's clear donald trump has this view it should let him do so. that's what he mean...

>> if they're successful in spinning all this we want to say the facts are out, even if there's indictable offenses, fundamentally they understand this. they understand it's a political game. >> i think that's why we're not seeing anything beyond what's been reported in the news in the questions of from mueller. a lot of people were disappointed they weren't looking at some of trump's business deals or the potential financial leverage russia could have on him. that's been hashed out in the news and a lot of legal expers say mueller is probably not trying to freak president trump. >> i think it...