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Their impact in the future. how the interference continued on through 2017, including brazen efforts to try to smear the very special counsel probe into russia's acts by attacking mueller. that's something americans should care about as americans, not as democrats or republicans. then when mueller found crimes well beyond his jurisdiction, he took the evidence and handed it back to the places they occurred like with michael cohen where his interaction to maybe the most damning insider ever to testify against donald trump in public. now some experts note that division of labor continues in case...

You see a tttacks against jim comey, attacks against mccake to a lesser extent, lesser attacks -- >> lesser extent? he called it bs at cpac. the attack against miller -- >> i think the president has been relatively more restrained in attacking mueller personally. >> you were speaking of hanoi during cpac. >> that is true. i think generally, i mean, look, this president and this operation, what we've seen rudy giuliani doing for months, they've trieded to do a lot of spadework to prejudice, inoculate themselves and prejudice the public against whatever findings come out and yet there is some co...

He was saying. so as a witness and even a convicted felon and even someone who has lied under oath, he did himself favors. now it all comes down to what the public thinks of this. will the public believe him over the president after two years of constantly attacking mueller. it might stick. this polling about was there collusion and was there not. it's gotten into people's heads. the question is, does it get to independent's heads or people who aren't already in the president. >> i mentioned when the poll was taken. it was a cliche with a nod to the famous children's book. how inoured are we t...

What he is trying to do and that is to rattle michael cohen. i don't know if donny can speak to this, but i wonder if they are keeping him off of social media over the last couple of days. this is something that can shake somebody. >> it will backfire on him because if he's loaded, i know the way he was affected by the father in law thing. calling his wife names. if you break it down to this, this congressmanship ashamed. >> i don't have evidence, the kind of which aaron blake is saying that the journalist will need before they tie a link between the president and what was tweeted, the threat....

Special counsel's materials and investigation turned over to congress, including grand jury information and other confidential information. >> for grand jury information, john, he would have to go to the a.g. he'd have to get a court order for that. it's attainable but you guys should be on the same page about that, right? if there's a thin report and questions left unanswered and suggestions of hallways that weren't walked down mueller could get subpoenaed and you wind up with a whole new round of exploration. >> i always thought trump made a serious tactical mistake by attacking mueller and ...