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His base. >> maybe it's a good strategy on his part. before we continue, i want to pay a part of his interview. this is on fox business. he was asked about russian meddling in 2016. watch this. >> do you think in some ways vladimir putin is kind of getting what he wanted? it almost didn't matter to the russians who won. but it certainly mattered in that they wanted to create this division. it's harder -- >> the answer is yes because our justice department and fbi played right into the hands with a stupid investigation or whatever you call it. >> brian, you listen, it's tough, because you don't...

Pin if they technically violate a law. they want to prove they did it purposefully and knowingly. if donald trump could stop tweeting, stop writing letters on air force one and stop attacking mueller, he would be in a much better position to say, hey, i wasn't involved in collusion. if he believes this investigation is wrong because he wasn't involved in collusion, his actions could be deemed appropriate. i my omarosa damaged him politically, but helped him legally. >> can you explain that? i'm having trouble getting the link why the recording helps the president? >> in it, there's no indicati...

Pardon, but paul manafort who was just convicted on 8 charges yesterday around the same time cohen was pleading guilty, his situation could be a different story. trump tweeting about manafort this morning, praising him for not breaking. if trump pardons manafort, b ambassador eisen, is that obstruction of justice? >> here at brookings, we published the second edition of obstruction of justice report. we explain in there as we go through the incredible amount of substantial evidence of obstruction that yes, if the president issues a pardon with corrupt intent, if it is part of a pattern we saw,...

President of collusion, obstruction of justice and even treason. >> at some point democrats have to pick a story and stick to it. >> some critics have to get their narrative right. either donald trump is obstructing justice or he isn't. the narrative is donald trump obstructed justice, refusing to meet with special counsel and attacking mueller, obstruction of the investigation and found out the president about his white house counsel to spend 30 hours with mueller. he waved executive privilege and attorney-client privilege to do it and they say he made a mistake. the president of the united s...

Does have some stuff stashed away for a rainy day and to keep the drum beat going and to keep book sales up and to keep torturing the president, who she says, whether she believes it or not, i don't know, she says treated her unkindly. and $180,000 for a campaign operative would be a lot of money. it would not be unheard of based on my experience. so it's not a massive sum of money. i mean, i think some of the senior trump people make a lot more than that. so it doesn't sound like it's outlandish and out of control. the way it was put to her was certainly not like other things we have seen. >>...