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Mueller obtained tens of thousands of e-mails, unlawfully. this is a letter they issued publicly. they didn't go to a judge with it. many are claiming this is just a pr stunt. but it's an indication of how some of trump's lals aallies ar growing more disillusioned. and it could be a signal of what's to come if the president realizes that he's not going to be cleared anytime soon. we may see him, we may see his allies take an even shaper tone when it comes to mueller. >> good reporting, thank you very much. sara murray, reporting for us. let's talk about all of this and more with leon panetta. ...

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Saying tell us are there tapes or not. what do you think the political calculation is from the white house on this one right now? why leave is to murky, to say the least? >> well that is always a tough question when it comes to thinking about the strategy that president trump may be following. he is leaving it kind of out there, but he faces a demand from the house intelligence, a request from the house intelligence committee to produce these tapes by june 23rd, next week, and every expectation is that he will provide an answer by then about whether there are tapes and i think that the assumpt...