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The white house. they understand that they have long-term goals here, which include just creating a section of chaos and undermining the political system, undermining the trust in our government. that's where they are going with this. the difference between russia and some other country isn't just that it's russia. it isn't just the human rise complaints, it isn't just the sort of treatment of political dissidents, it's also they were at the time either about to or under sanctions. the white house, you know, the trump transition was not handling russia in a way that was consistent with someone...

Determined the outcome but because the russians tried. whether you're a populist that supports trump or democrats you want to get to the bottom of this. >> i would argue they succeeded. if what they wanted was to disrupt democratic process, look what ensued. >> debate necessarily determine the outcome but certainly the manipulation succeeded. >> fair point. ab abby, dick cheney called it an act of war, in the flit cal sphere, latest turn about in play, while the white house is very soft with russia, russia came out and said we didn't know about any meeting between a banker and jared kushner. b...

In jeopardy if this ends up becoming a landslide that wipes out a lot of republicans who gave him that majority. 2020 maybe. we're looking at folks like ted cruz. looking at 2020 and others but i think paul ryan has bigger fish to fry right now. >> i just want to see what happens in three weeks. can't even wrap my head around another four years from now. abby and todd, thank you both so much. appreciate it. we are getting breaking news, let me move on to this. this is breaking news involving the former "people" magazine writer who is accusing donald trump of sexual assault. they are now roll...

Here's the sound. >> is paul ryan hurting you or helping you? >> well, i don't want to be knocking paul ryan. i think he could be more supportive to the republican nominee. we're doing well. i think we'll win the election. >> do you think he want you to win? >> maybe not. maybe he wants to run in four years, maybe he doesn't know how to win. who can know? >> on the 2020 notion, abby, do you think trump has a point? >> it's so funny to hear trump say "i don't want to be knocking paul ryan" and then proceed to do exactly that thing. i think trump suspects a lot of the republicans who are trying ...

Designed to paint trump as a petulant schoolboy bully which jibes with everything else that we've seen that's unpleasant and offensive about trump and it goes straight to trump's vulnerability which is that he often takes this bait. it was very loaded and carefully calibrated language. >> if he takes it, if he runs with it, abby, how could that affect donald trump? his own supporters would love that. >> yeah. i think donald trump is going down this road because he knows his supporters want him to. this is the type of argument that has originated on parts of the internet where his supporters ar...