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>> right before the civil war, about 1860, it's extraordinary this sad, miserable life that this man led, the depression that inflicted him, he was in these outposts and all he wanted was to be with his wife and children. he was seen as a slob, slovenly, a drunkard and yet time and time again everybody that knew grant said he had the effect of being the guy that was slouched in the corner and then when you needed somebody to show more strength and more character and more power and more grit than anybody else suddenly this man transformed. he and lincoln saved our union

Are crying out and we start blinking. >> i just start crying. >> joe, though, you did raise a really crucial issue about all of this, the lack of teaching our own story in our public schools, teaching our own history tour. >> we have to and because we're americans, we focus on our failings, it's what we do and it's what i love about the country is saying we are sufficient tough on ourselves and it's almost seen as jingoistic to talk about god's divine providence, whether you believe in that or the exceptionalism of this country to have people like abhinge lincoln and general grant rise at this...