Of that kind of behavior. i didn't witness that specific incident, nor did i witness brett doing that at any of the parties that i was at with him. i do believe deb bie ramirez's account. she is not someone that would come forward and lie, but that's not behavior i witnessed from brett kavanaugh. >> liz, what was your reaction to debbie ramirez's story. >> yeah, well, that was very upsetting because i do believe debbie. she is very honest. she was an innocent person, but i was not able to corroborate that because, again, i wasn't there. but men rarely do those types of things when other girls ...