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Pound -- or vice versa, you pound the facts. if you don't have either, you pound the podium. he's poupding the facts because he is very confident in those facts. whatever legal battles he has going on with the contract, that could be a closer call. >> this was one of the most interesting points in the interview as well. this is when abinate is asked about his client being able to prove the allegations. take a listen. >> you would not take on a client or case like this without unequivocal proof? >> what i'm going to -- yeah, i'll answer that in the affirmative, yes. >> you would not take on a c...

Bloomberg news. daniel, what might michael's strategy be here? >> controlled release of information. he has a battle on the legal side with the contract. there are arguments on both sides that trump may be able to enforce the contract or ec consultants, whoever ultpimatel is a party. but the contract may have never been created or if it was, it was the product of duress. and now we're learning this morning possibly even physical menace which would be grounds to rescind or pull back the contract. but whatever battles abinate has on the legal side, he has apparently the facts on his side. and he...