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The bill this morning. we heard a lot of reservations from senate republicans, jim jordan. there's been a lot of very rapid opposition, something we just found out about on monday. the reason why, it looks like millions are going to lose their insurance, cost will go up for others, i think we should view this as a first start. certainly, if this is where republican's wand up, i think it will do political harm to them in the election in 2018. >> jon: lisa, those groups that he mentioned, are you surprised that there isn't more unanimity among conservative groups? >> not at all. it's messy, it w...

In this country. we have been divided up by a lot of single interests. we've been left with the sum of our parts. richard used a phrase that i've been using recently which is that we need to spend a lot more time in the political arena, republican, democrat, tea party member alike, talking about big ideas that unite us, not small ideas that divide us. >> and by the way, tom, we're not just talking about the nra or gun lobbyists here. >> no. >> even though they are -- and a lot of my friends are saying, why do you keep using the word "extreme" next to nra on this issue? it's not because the sec...