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Of the u.s. because the government is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me. the u.s. government murdering someone for this? >> no. i mean, that is just ridiculous. i mean, he is sort of making himself so much more important. the u.s. government is not going to do that. for one thing the u.s. government couldn't do it. he's in hiding in hong kong. he's probably surrounded by chinese security agents. it's just not possible for us to do that. >> you think they would murder people there would be a lot of people higher up on the list perhaps. gordon chang thank you very ...

That if the car tried to escape or if the police came that he would throw his car in the middle. they talk about masks. they talk about the way they were able to get these people, these victims, and when he was testifying, erin, he did it in a way that was so cold blooded that you really felt that there was simply no emotion involved. the only time you really got emotional is when he said well i'm testifying, because whitey bulger broke my heart. he broke our loyalty once he decided or once it became known that he was an fbi informant, erin. >> and deb quickly i know you heard about the relati...