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Also when he's asked about when he was confronted by then and penn state athletic director tim curley about the 2002 shower incident. he struggles with that answer. but then substantively, he also talks about how he gave gifts to kids, gave money to kids. even opened bank accounts for them. now, he's presenting that as an example of how he cares for these kids, and was trying to look out for their best interest. but it also fits what prosecutors say is a pattern in which sandusky was targeting these kids, trying to get them to trust him so he could then use them and sexually abuse them. >> i w...

Sandusky, based on the fact that mcquearys wasn't going to be testifying in the preliminary hearing, now damning testimony coming out of the perjury case stemming from the penn state officials. what is this doing, when we hear about this my mind goes straight to jerry sandusky, i don't think about curley and schultz. it is very damning testimony. >> like you said, the technical charges against curley and schultz, this perjury and failure to report, but the elephant in the room is sandusky and the graphic testimony regarding his -- his conduct toward his 10-year-old boy, without going into the ...