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Other people, that was also a signal from the special counsel's office that there was no way they'd be relying on paul manafort as any kind of witness against anyone. i mean, once you're telling the judge bluntly, hey, this guy repeatedly lies, even to prosecutors who he is supposed to be helping, that makes him useless as a potential witness against anyone else in any other case. and you'll remember, during manafort's trial in virginia, the judge there, the sort of famous famously -- he basically yelled at the prosecutors in court, right? it was this big dramatic moment in court in a hearing ...

Institution scheme in the paul manafort indictment? you know, when he was still being charged with manafort and gates, remember that? manafort, gates and others attempted to execute a scheme and art first to defraud and obtain money and property by false pretenses, reputations and promises from banks and other financial institutions. as part of the scheme, they repeatedly provided and caused to be provided false information to banks and other lenders. they defrauded the lenders in various ways, including lying about manafort and his company's income, lying about their debt, they provided docto...

Offering and who knows if it's necessarily true. but it can't be nothing. >> bret: here's the president talking to ainsley earhardt about manafort. >> one of the reasons i respect paul manafort so much as he went to -- for 30-40 years, i've been watching flippers. everything's wonderful and they get ten years in jail and they flip, whoever the next highest one is. or as high as you can go. it almost ought to be outlawed. it's not fair. >> bret: are you considering pardoning paul manafort? >> what he did, some of the charges they threw against him? every consultant, every lobbyist in washington...

He is looking at another trial in about two weeks. >> he is. brian: where does he go from here and some in the trump camp evidently worried looking at 80 years in prison, perhaps, will tart talking about things that donald trump doesn't want him talking about. >> well, i don't think he has anything in incriminating to say about the president because manafort was so briefly involved in the campaign and didn't know trump before then. he was hired on a recommendation. but what i worry about is what judge t.s. ellis stated publicly in his courtroom. he was the judge presiding over this trial. he s...

Compelling evidence of criminality, in order to clear her path to the presidency. on the very day he cleared her, he launched the investigation of donald trump, meeting secretly with the author of the anti-trumped dossier who is on the payroll of hillary clinton and really that's the thesis. >> pam watching a 2005 case and they said we don't care about manafort's taxes. so we can prosecute or impeach donald trump. that's the only reason we are here. and i think every american needs