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And, you know, that may still be out there. perhaps it can be a message that what he was holding back on, what he was lying on, was maybe important enough to the trump people, that maybe that's his message that i deserve a pardon. >> ken, as jeff toobin has pointed out, apparently paul manafort looks terrible, walking with a cane. looks like he's aged considerably. does not look like he's in good health. ken, i want to ask you about what i talked with preet about, about manhattan prosecutors, the idea they're preparing a criminal case against manafort if president trump decides to pardon manaf...

Would agree to go down in the guidelines, because of his cooperation. without that, all he's left with is the hail mary for the pardon. and, you know, that may still be out there. perhaps it can be a message that what he was holding back on, what he was lying on, was maybe important enough to the trump people, that maybe that's his message that i deserve a pardon. >> ken, as jeff toobin has pointed out, apparently paul manafort looks terrible, walking with a cane. looks like he's aged considerably. does not look like he's in good health. ken, i want to ask you about what i talked with preet ab...