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Agree with the double jeopardy analysis. but having dealt with double jeopardy myself over the years in my legal capacity, you ask it an interesting way, anderson. you asked is it fair. i think most americans objectively, if you took the politics out of this, if you asked about a state-level prosecutor lying in wait if things don't go a particular way at the federal level or if they do, most americans would be -- would not be comfortable with that. that is our system, however. it is perfectly legal. it is perfectly constitutional. it's a separate charge, a separate offense and a separate sover...

Would agree to go down in the guidelines, because of his cooperation. without that, all he's left with is the hail mary for the pardon. and, you know, that may still be out there. perhaps it can be a message that what he was holding back on, what he was lying on, was maybe important enough to the trump people, that maybe that's his message that i deserve a pardon. >> ken, as jeff toobin has pointed out, apparently paul manafort looks terrible, walking with a cane. looks like he's aged considerably. does not look like he's in good health. ken, i want to ask you about what i talked with preet ab...