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The rhetoric of your election campaign. when you will finish this campaign, the rhetoric will be changed. i'm an optimist. >> so, you know, he sounds really confident, guys. doesn't sound like anybody's going to turn off the tap for the money or the weapons coming from the u.s. but he has to do that. you know? he's a politician. this is war time. he has to pro just confidence and so do all the other politicians running the show here in kyiv, but from what we've been talking to people kind of off the record and behind the scenes, there are really, real words with the government here in kyiv tha...

Roman abromovich is the person people know the most in terms of oligarchs because of chelsea. the white house has refused to comment on its support leaving him off the sanctions list. so abromovich has not been sanctioned. there's a bunch of reasons potentially for that. one of the big ones is this -- this is a steel mill in colorado that he owns a piece of. a large piece. the "wall street journal" reported back in march, by the way, that abromovich, that ukraine wanted to hold off sanctioning him because he might acts as a go-between between russia and the united states. russia and ukraine ha...

This -- $522 million in dividends from the company last year. there are accusations -- accusations -- that it's supplying steel to the russian military. the company in north america denies those accusations. currently given what we heard about the gdp yesterday, given what we know about the cpi, job losses in the united states, a major factor in the biden administration's calculus. so even though abromovich is the guy that most people associate when you think of russian oligarchs, he's not been sanctioned yet for those reasons. potentially as liaison between russia and ukraine, haven't seen it...

Even the children of oligarchs and russian government officials reportedly posting anti-war postings. including roman abromovich he relinquished control of chelsea football club tonight. today there was no sign of president putin himself. the russian leader under pressure not only militarily in ukraine but domestically and internationally. jose >> keir simmons in moscow, thank you. still ahead tonight, the potential showdown in congress over president biden's historic supreme court nominee.

Or if ukraine capitulates. obviously this may not be possible so far because of ukraine's courage and support from the west and also if the no fly zone is provided. but as of now, for sure, this cannot be facilitated with the help of his efforts. >> do you think abromovich or anyone else at this point, any other oligarch, deserves to not be sanctioned by the west? >> translator: the way i see it is quite simple. oligarchs are not true oligarchs in that sense that they actually do not influence putin. that's just, preposterous idea if i may say so. yet they are putin's instruments of influence ...