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Right after the public found out. you usually don't get absolved of a crime because you get caught in the act committing it. and an interesting character, we'll get into this. he essentially argueded if they had not reported the attempted bribery, law makers would have talked the crazy man off the ledge and that would have been so much better for everyone. >> this would have been far better off if we had taken care of this behind the scenes. most people want is for ukraine. we were trying to convince president trump. i listen on the "washington post" lionizing the whistleblower. if they goal...

He sold out the kurds, that they're going to be slaughtered? >> right. >> the fact is he did it. the fact is that he is irresponsible. he is erratic. he is luike a 2-year-old with a machine gun, right? he doesn't understand the power of his words or his actions and the way that they will actually impact and could end other human beings' lives. so whether he understands it or not, look, he's the president of the united states. i don't actually care whether he understands it or not because he has shown that he is not responsible enough to self-regulate. he has shown he is not responsible enough ...

Absolved, because there are other mediums on which he could do it. the reality is it's unfiltered direct to the american public what he speaks on twitter, and he has weaponized his words in a way that could result in harm to other people. and maybe i'm just kicking in as a former prosecutor, but i know that these real people, including members of congress who have been the target of his threats are in fear of their lives and their safety. and that should be taken seriously, and there should be accountability for that terms of a private corporation that is facilitating it. >> all right. senator...

Sold out the kurds that they're going to be slaughtered? the fact is he did it. the fact is that he is irresponsible. he is erratic. he does not -- he is like a 2-year-old with a machine gun. right? he doesn't understand the power of his words or his actions in way that they will actually impact and could end other human beings' lives. so whether he understands it or not, look, he is the president of the united states. i don't actually care where he understands it or not. because he is he has shown that he is not responsible enough to self-regulate. he has shown he is not responsible enough to...

About it? and that is a more complex question. which is do you look at censure, or do you look at impeachment? what does impeachment entail. this is where it is worth everybody reading david brooks' column of last week because he argues articulately that what is done here is wrong but the question is what do you do about it and that is where it does become more complex? do i want to set this precedent? no. >> again and again politics be damned and being politically prudent be damned, jake, we have a president who stood in front of his country and said i want a foreign government interfering in...