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Techniques on five high valued detainees including khalid sheikh mohammed. you know the narrative about you. the cia was clueless about what to do with high value detainees. they came to you and a colleague of yours. you charged a fortune. you didn't get anything worthwhile. none of this worked. and, oh by the way, you committed torture. we can only parse so much of that in the time we have. i'll ask you this -- did it work? >> yes, it did. in fact, you shouldn't take my word for it. take the cia's word for it. it said it disrupted attacks. that it allowed them to understand better the enemy t...

History. it feels though they have got to be the most transparent in history by making this out front and center because they believe it happened unnecessarily during the bush years. however, after 9/11, after being ridiculed for missing the embassy bombings and missing 9/11 itself, the c.i.a. said this is what we need to be successful. they start capturing people, bringing them into interrogation rooms and they say can we do this? the answer was yes. the bush administration almost to a man and to a woman is standing behind what the c.i.a. has done because they produced tangible results. >> yo...

Administration is getting right in security policy. and what's more, with the terrorists we're killing now across the border in pakistan, it's not a choice of kill or capture. it's usually a choice of kill or do nothing because the pakistanis don't want boots in the ground. it's not a simple snatch and grab. we often -- those terrorists are often identified very quickly. they might be at location x for two or three hours. doing a cross border special ops raid taking coordination, backup fire power, it's high risk. so in most of these cases, it's again kill them or let them go. that said, there...

Taliban and al qaeda further out of afghanistan into pakistan and even beyond that out of the hinter land into the cities where we have always been more successful in tracking people down. it's easier to track them down in the cities and that's what's happening right now. >> i am looking at your book. you wrote to the shaw of iran. can you look at this picture? camera 2 can you push in on that? you look like me. just like me. here's the picture i want people to really see. that's abu zabida the chief who was shot there when john and his mates were closing in on him. there's the guy who was wat...

Taliban and al qaeda further out of afghanistan into pakistan and even beyond that out of the hinter land into the cities where we have always been more successful in tracking people down. it's easier to track them down in the cities and that's what's happening right now. >> i am looking at your book. you wrote to the shaw of iran. can you look at this picture? camera 2 can you push in on that? you look like me. just like me. here's the picture i want people to really see. that's abu zabida the chief who was shot there when john and his mates were closing in on him. there's the guy who was wat...