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>> you have this astonishing thing that melania trump said during her interview, which is somebody should investigate these women's backgrounds and also why didn't they come forward earlier. you hear something similar from other trump surrogates. these women are too ugly to attack and why didn't they want to come forward. they knew what was in store for them. there's nothing to be gained for any of these women, right? there's no book deals to be won of the classroom full of women who say that donald trump groped you at one point in your life. there's nothing in it, i think, except for the fact...

Denial. you know, what people in abuse circles call gaslighting. this just refuse -- this shameless denial of a reality that's in front of all our faces. >> you mentioned the melania trump interview last night and she did one this morning as well. from my perspective it seems impossible to judge her in any way in the position she's in. it just seems like from her perspective, she believes her husband and i don't fault her for that and she's also in a totally impossible situation. >> you know, melania trump -- what i would say about melania trump, she seems very much like someone who would be m...