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>> reporter: it's actually a lot less than the u.s. is doing. before the u.s. was using ac-130s, a cargo plane with all the -- are we still together? >> yes, we're still together, right now. >> reporter: oh, okay. i thought we dropped a connection. we're on a poor satellite phone here. an ac-130 is basically a cargo plane with all the equipment and seats ripped out and it's filled with guns. and that can hover over a target and circle over it for a long period of time and target multiple vehicles, buildings, almost anything you like, and create an enormous amount of destruction. compared to th...

Gadhafi because we can target him or his family? >> reporter: it's a lot less than the u.s. was doing. before the u.s. was using ac-130s, a cargo plane with all the -- are we still together? >> yes, we're still together, right now. >> reporter: i thought we dropped a connection. we're on a poor satellite phone here. ac-130 is basically a cargo plane with all of the equipment and seats ripped out and it's filled with guns and that can hover over a target and circle over it for a long period of time and target multiple vehicles, buildings, almost anything you like and create an enormous amount o...

>> reporter: i thought we dropped a connection. we're on a poor satellite phone here. ac-130 is basically a cargo plane with all of the equipment and seats ripped out and it's filled with guns and that can hover over a target and circle over it a for a long period of time and target multiple vehicles, buildings, almost anything you like and create an enormous amount of destruction. compared to that, a predator is a kite with a few weapons on it. and so the u.s. is involved but not nearly to the same degree it was even a couple of weeks ago. >> i guess the question i've had is the strategic que...

Of us on both sides of the aisle that ground troops is not an option, but you have to have a vigorous campaign if you want to avoid a stalemate. >> reporter: that was when i was asking him if he suspected there would be mission creep, that the u.s. is getting deeper and more and -- more deeply involved than it initially intended. he doesn't see that happening. he doesn't want ground troops here he said, but he does want ac-130s, a-10 warthogs. these are aircraft that can provide close support to the rebels and there are some predators in action now, but not the same degree of fire power that t...

Policy issue that really divides the country. republican sources say look, there's no question that is an issue but also say that spending cuts is still a big problem. and, of course, that for them is an issue that they are -- conservatives are pressing them very hard to stand their ground on. >> as a longtime watcher of washington politics, i'm struck by some of the body language in negotiation like this where it is really tense. you don't always see the republican specific and democratic majority leader come to the microphone together throughout this negotiating process. how tense is it up t...