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Bypass some financial sanctions, but we'll know that. and i think what jake sullivan said earlier, that there will be serious consequences for china, i think he means it. i think there will be. and, frankly, the chinese, i think they are probably starting to develop some buyer's remorse. there are very, very few good aspects to this relationship that they have. obviously, they need energy for their economy and they would welcome easier access through the arctic. but i don't see them seriously considering getting too closely involved any further >> all right. both, thank you so much very much. ...

>> exactly. 100%. people -- we have had, beyond the direct causes of conflict, so the people who have been injured and died from shelling within the city, you have all of the emergency needs that every population on the earth has. you have people who need access to insulin, access to dialysis. you have pregnant women who need access to safe deliveries and who could have complicated pregnancies, need access to surgical services. you have people with serious mental health conditions that need access to mental health services. these are all conditions where, if ac cess is interrupted the situatio...

Bodies. have you heard anything more about this? >> yes. we have staff, nsf colleagues of ours who are still there. one of our colleagues, he has seen his neighbors burying the dead bodies of their neighbors. so they are in a situation where their choice is the only thing worse than burying my dead neighbor's body is not burying my dead neighbor's body and leaving it on the street. people don't have access to water and food, which has run out over a week now. we also know that people have already started dying who are part of vulnerable populations that had pre-existing conditions, chronic dis...