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Through budget reconciliation, they can get rid of this piece of legislation, the repeal of obamacare or the affordable care act but when you start replacing it, you're back through the process where we have to work together. that's why the senate is so much different than the house. it's not a simple majority at 51. that means 60 for cloture, that means you will have to get bipartisan agreement, start working with us now. i'm willing to sit down tonight. >> senator manchin, let me move to another topic, russia is not our ally, not our friend, to treat putin like an ally is wrong, the white ho...

Best, capitalism works best or socialism. let's have those arguments and those are valid arguments and i don't think we need to question whether each of us believe in trying to fix the system and trying to get more health care. greg: senator paul, appreciate you coming on. >> thanks. greg: as republican senators lose support moderates on both sides look for open to go reach a bipartisan deal, joining us from charlton, we've virginia democratic senator joe manchin, let me start by asking you do you believe that obamacare is broken and is in danger of collapse as the president so often says? >> ...

You this morning. let's talk about a tweet that the president sent earlier on the july 4th weekend, the president tweeting, quote, if republican senators are unable to pass what they're working on now, they should immediate repeal and then replace at a later date. the president appears to be listening to you, you mentioned this to him on wednesday, though, your colleague from nebraska ben sass is claiming credit for this. senator mcconnell says thanks but no thanks. would this fly? >> i don't think we are getting anywhere with the bill we have, we are at an impasse, every time you add more fed...

Name it, spend like there's no tomorrow and try to buy off support. that's traditional washington. what i'm asking is something not traditional, separate the bills. greg: let me ask you this question, you're not for spending, you are for repeal, if you do this separately, you'll vote for the repeal bill and there's no question about that but when it comes to replacement part of it, where is your vote going to go? >> well, see my idea of replacement has always been replace it with freedom, replace it with choice, competition, expanded health savings account, buying groups, the association healt...

Passed a repeal bill because that's what they promised the american people. what we all know is it would deal to another catastrophic turn in the market and he made clear in interview that you had with him, that he has no interest whatsoever in working on replace bill and that would be the risk. if mitch mcconnell went this way, you get repeal and you get an even mess and you have no incentive whatsoever for any of the conservatives to come on board and pass a fix. >> because when it comes to spending, rand paul said, i'm against increasing spending. >> he's not interested in helping with this...