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Being withheld as leverage. and even if that hadn't been explicitly told to the ukrainians as it was, their impression would be in order to get the money they'd have to start acceding to the requests the president's representatives are making. to me it looked corrupt on the face of it, which is tart of the reason i wanted to go to ukraine, but now we know it was actually explicit. >> you just highlighted something i wanted to follow up on, which were republicans making the narrow argument, which i think is true, the president sets narrow priorities. but in this particular instance even mat gat...

Process of notification, which, of course, the administration didn't do. of course we all suspected that it could be that the aid was being withheld as leverage. and even if that hadn't been explicitly told to the ukrainians as it was, their impression would be in order to get the money, they have to start acceding to the requests the president's representatives are making. to me it looked corrupt on the face of it, which is tart of the reason i wanted to go to ukraine, but now we know it was not implied. it was actually explicit and we're going to have a number of people testify to that befor...

Russia. so they're at odds there and i think this is a good question of how taxpayer resources are being used to undermine those reports. >> i don't think these things are independent. the attitude and approach to dismissing what is going on with the impeachment inquiry is in line with what recently happened in syria and the negotiations failed with turkey and broader behavior of accepting and acceding to what putin wants geopolitically and part of that is a distraction campaign and focusing on issues that would potentially in trump's mind hurt democrats and undermine the 2020 election but the...

Graham acceding to demands from the clinton administration or trey gowdy from the obama administration? so this is political theater. that's one. the second thing is our objective is in necessity, is that we go through this carefully and develop the evidence before we reach conclusions, and that's the methodical approach we're tryig to take in the intelligence committee and of course oversight and foreign affairs because ultimately in addition to congress voting, this is going to be -- this is going to be something the american people have to participate in. and the more we get the evidence o...

Government, and we do not have to take orders from the president. and it's really important that the house of representatives not do that. and could you imagine lindsey graham acceding to demands from the clinton administration or trey gowdy from the obama administration? so this is political theater. that's one. the second thing is our objective is in necessity, is that we go through this carefully and develop the evidence before we reach conclusions, and that's the methodical approach we're trying to take in the intelligence committee and of course oversight and foreign affairs because ultim...