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Assure you that one of the critical pieces of inquiry will be what did donald trump know about these payments? what was the arrangement, if any? was he in on it? did he get a piece of the action? if he knew about it, what did he do to shut it down? this is going to be a treasure trove. you can speak to this better than i can. this is going to be a treasure trove potentially of inquiry. >> quickly we have to go to a break. because of what michael avenue knotty just said, what i just heard him describing, you're the prosecutor here, but what i heard him describing the concept that at&t is paying...

Is that what i was just hearing? >> it could be. it depends. just paying for access wouldn't be enough right now. >> but if a piece of the payment for access goes back to the office holder, people go to jail for that? >> yes. but you would need to know that they were getting something in return, basically. even assuming the money went directly to donald trump, but you're right. these are all the things that they're trying to figure out. what did donald trump know and when did he know it. >> and lawrence, this is why the public integrity section of the u.s. attorney's office, right, a lot of pe...

Our cess" the news we suppressed, about the stories that cnn had from the baghdad bureau and saddam hussein era that they suppressed, wouldn't say thing about the regime because they wanted the le that will word, access wouldn't tell the truth about the iraqi regime and two years later accusing the american government of targeting journalists in iraq, which is a pretty serious charge against your own government. he got fired for that and now he turns up as the producer of this donald trump news max ion tv debate and i don't believe so don't like it. >> jon: on the news of trump getting the gig...

Suppressed, about the stories that cnn had from the baghdad bureau and saddam hussein era that they suppressed, wouldn't say thing about the regime because they wanted the le that will word, access wouldn't tell the truth about the iraqi regime and two years later accusing the american government of targeting journalists in iraq, which is a pretty serious charge against your own government. he got fired for that and now he turns up as the producer of this donald trump news max ion tv debate and i don't believe so don't like it. >> jon: on the news of trump getting the gig, chris mathews from m...