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Took against iran. could they possibly try to do that with russia. what i ib cysted all 30 members of nato, not just the u.s. but u.s. and 29 nato members were in accord. i asked a senior official, but in accord on -- they would be potential retaliation on gas and other exports others need. and it's a tough time with inflation and the energy sector. the answer was they all know what's at stake, and this is so important. we can't have russia invading ukraine again. we have to take this action. i don't know if you think that's a credible deterrent. >> well, it's good. it's good. but i don't thin...

Which i think a professional death sentence, which is what abc has given her in this case is warranted. >> we talk so much in this trump era about how apologies just don't seem to exist. and i think roseanne's apology is case in point. you write in your book, clown to the left of me, jokers to the right, the left and the right in this country, this story flows right into i think part of your point in the book, tell me more. >> but there have to be some things. facts do need to matter. there have to be some things that decent people from the left and the right can look at and reach an accord on...